Comments on: Israeli Job Search Myths Debunked

By: sherif

sherif — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:59:09 +0000

iam from egypt iam accountant iam dreem work in israeli ihope to find it thanks

By: Zeke

Zeke — Wed, 04 Mar 2009 00:55:17 +0000

Hi, I am an American and was thinking about maybe working as an expatriate in Israel within the next few years. In your opinion, are there opportunities in the Israeli mortgage banking field? I’ve been finding it hard to locate any information in this area, and is it more difficult for someone non-Jewish to obtain a work visa from Israel?

By: Jacob Share

Jacob Share — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 07:44:14 +0000

It’s true Alisa, you won’t see shotef+90 in Western Europe and I agree with you that it’s completely ridiculous as a policy, especially when you consider that in some cases you’re required to pay taxes at billing time, when you’re only going to get paid months later. That’s much worse- penalizing you for working & contributing to the economy.

By: alisa

alisa — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 06:25:41 +0000

well, in my “outsourcing” experience as a freelancer, my contract was always with the outsourcing company, never with the final client.
the main difference i found here was that in europe, they will negotiate, try to push you and the client to make a final deal.
here, the outsourcing company or the company sending you as freelance, does not really care about that: they impose their policy, no negotiations at all (anything I requested as change has categorically been refused) and, if you do not accept their policy 100%, they don’t even discuss: they just do not call back!
therefore yes: I think a law should be made for consultant who provide services; when we use a service like phone, electricity, etc., we pay 2 weeks after we receive the invoice;
there is no reason why it should be shotef +60 or even 90.
i find it incredible that a person starting to work, gets paid for his/her work 4 months after the fist day on the job!
and, to be honest, I have never encountered something like this in my previous jobs in europe: shotef+30 was the latest ever.

By: Jacob Share

Jacob Share — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:34:29 +0000

Actually, no.

Sourcing is when recruiters actively look for unsuspecting people and then try to pull them to a new company because they fit the client’s needs.

Outsourcing is another word for subcontracting i.e. when a company decides to use external workers (freelancers/consultants). But yes, this is what you’re referring to. And it’s true that in a tough, competitive market, employers will always find someone at the lower price. But you need to convince them why they should pay you more.

I’m curious though but it wasn’t clear- you think there should be a law against ‘shotef+X’ payment schemes?

By: alisa

alisa — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:05:59 +0000

I am referring to outsourcing indeed and it exist here: only in a more “laid back” form!!
outsourcing also implies that the contractor has the contract with this recruitement company: when this is the case here, the outsourcing company does not care if you don’ accept the “shotef+60 or 90″….they find someone else and that’s it.
that is why, according to me, there should be a law stating it is not allowed

By: Jacob Share

Jacob Share — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:07:58 +0000

Alisa, thanks for sharing your experience.

In 3) what you describe is called ‘sourcing’, where headhunters hunt for candidates and then aggressively try to recruit them. This exists in Israel but not to the same degree as elsewhere. Here, most recruiters are from placement agencies, not the same thing at all.

In 4), you’re referring to what’s called ‘shotef+60′ or ‘shotef+90′. That exists elsewhere too but employers here are more insistent on those arrangements. It’s up to the freelancers to not be desperate in accepting them. Only when employers find no takers will they change their payment terms.

By: alisa majer

alisa majer — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 12:26:06 +0000

my humbel opinion of an olah:
1) I speak hebrew fluently
2) I am a SAP consultant, therefore qualified as I have 5 years experience
3) networking is important but, in europe I found a job with recruitement agencies based on my qualifications, without even meeting these people! here in Israel, my CV was sent to a lot ofd agencies and only 2 replied, offering a ridiculous salary (got to make a living…)
only after 2 years of working on my network of people, I finally got a semiserious offer!
4) ethics of work are not easy here and, one of the things that should absolutely change, is the fact of being paid after 60 to 90 days when offering a service as a freelance! this thing, almost made me go back to europe: I found someone who, by taking 8% of my invoice, will pay me 30 days after entering my invoice…..
so yes, sorry but finding a job here as an olah chadashah is really complicated!

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